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[原创]也谈技术分析和基本分析

[原创]也谈技术分析和基本分析

<<技术分析>>好还是<<基本分析>>好,这个问题争争吵吵很多年了...
期间还有像<<随机漫步理论>>这样异想天开主观的东西想要把这2者一起推翻!
到如今定量分析又登上舞台,成为世人追逐的对象。

其实大家应该自己动脑子想一想,亲自把这几门功课全去学习一下,然后尝试应用,最后加以判别。不要人云亦云。这个世界上的鹦鹉和鸭子太多了...

在我看来,除了<<随机漫步理论>>基本属于无稽之谈或是一些局外者(尤其是不学习,不做实际调查研究爱发表议论着),和失败者的消极论调。其他3者各有各的理:

各位看官允许俺叙叙道来

<<1. 先看看为什么我们会在金融市场里操作?>>
答:因为有金融市场提供这个场所!

那么为什么这个世上会有金融市场呢?不知有多少执着在市场的人会好好想这个问题,尤其是技术派或定量分析派的高手...

答:金融市场最终的目标在于服务于企业和社会 -- 尤其在于证券市场的融资功能,并通过价值估值和市场估值的双向调节作用来创造价值,也行使到对企业的监督促进作用,最终来服务于社会。

第2就是资源的配置,通过各种重组,收购... 不再赘述;还有国有股减持,社保基金入市... 更上升到社会资源的配置层面;

另外通过金融市场,尤其是在有做空机制和金融衍生产品允许的情况下,企业可以通过它来控制原材料价格变动,汇率变动等金融风险。

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<<2.   基本分析和定量分析的重要性 >>

那么这几条恰恰推出了基本分析和定量分析的重要性, 前者是这个市场存在的基础个动机,即使它在实际操作中并不总是很灵验;但脱离了它,整个市场不过是个赌场和资金博弈的战场,金融媒体也就变成狗仔队了... 那么作为社会基石之一的金融系统又该称做什么呢?

后者主要应用在对冲风险策略和一些新兴投资理念,一般需要金融衍生工具的配合,作为现代投资手段也是不可或缺的 (尤其对于对冲基金)。

<<3. 技术分析和基本分析的关系 >>

各位有兴趣的话,我建议看看索罗斯 G. SOROS 的反射理论,我私人认为是革命性的创举,也是对传统经济理论的挑战。

从他来说,市场上有3种因素:基本价值,主流悖离,市场价格 --
- 市场价值永远是错的 (传统理念是基本价值永远是对的,技术派是市场永远是对的);
- 并不只是基本价值会影响市场价值,市场偏离度也会影响市场价值;
- 而且基本价值和市场价值也在相互作用。

举个最简单的例子,那我们中国特色的社会主义股市来说,牛市里的股票发行价明显比熊市的发行价高。
发行价 = 基本价值;
熊市和牛市 = 市场价值的波动;
l(市场平均价值中枢 - 基本价值或市场价值)l = 主流偏差。

很明显,我们的证监会也许早在索罗斯之前就摸索出了反设原理,通过市场调节发行价,通过发行价调节市场 [em2] (待考 ....)

那么从这点来说,我们就可以解释技术分析的重要性了,因为了解市场价格因素的动态,亦即技术面因素,对判断基本面价值也是有积极的指导意义的,同时也是必要的!

<<4.内幕消息和小道消息 >>

另外说说内幕消息和小道消息。信息来源的不对称不只在中国存在,简直是放之四海而皆准的真理! 所以发牢骚是没用的,重要的是:

一方面,在承认这个市场的规则情况下,怎样把技术分析和定量分析加以应用,增加投资策略的胜算概率和尽可能控制风险。

另一方面,从自己做起,尤其对我们每个从业人员来说,遵守市场法则,己所不欲,勿施于人;
再者,作为社会一员,我们每个人都有责任勇敢的揭穿这些骗局,奔走相告(谣言和小道消息除外),像郎咸平和史锦伦一样,不管你是否位居要职,和违法行为,侵犯公众权利的行为作斗争是我们每个公民的责任。

不要只躲在角落里因为自己的得失哭爹喊娘,或者看谁出头都不顺眼;
然后见到出头鸟一朝成名了,心里暗骂或假装学者名义在媒体上炮轰,"丫我早就看出来xxxx 公司是有黑幕..." (拜托,大家都是出来混的,人家至少冒了被枪打的风险,风险和回报一般成正比的!);
最后轮到自己(靠违规盈利),没事心里偷着乐!

<<5.小节>>

好了,罗罗嗦嗦,希望大家抓紧学习或挣钱的同时,不要舍本逐末;追求企业的价值成长(至少基本分析的出发点是对的)是我们的灵魂。

技术分析和定量分析或xx分析是拐杖,要慢慢扶着学会走路,尽量少摔跤,不摔跤。

还有不管技术分析,基本分析或xx分析,牢记靠自己动手做研究时最重要的。大家一般说的不灵光是指那些做秀的股评家,分析员出于各种目的张贴出来的,甚至大多数还是互相抄袭的,所以根据天上不会掉馅饼的原理,你捡起来那个天外来物时,里面包什么馅儿的可能都有。[em8] 

看到贼要喊捉贼,别闷着不说,被贼打劫了,哭爹喊娘;也看到别人被抢了,看笑话。文了说那是阿Q,武了说离娘娘腔不远了!(各位妇女同胞,没意思侮辱您,仅仅是个传统比喻,见谅:)

说实在的,投资没那么难,难的是做人。[em15] 和 [em1] 往往就差一线。



[align=right][color=#000066]本贴已被 作者 于 2005年08月18日 18时45分45秒 编辑过[/color][/align]

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whatever u want to do, particularly in finance,  to be a human is very important! when you invest to a company, you have to know very well its boss .
Also to be a financial person, return is certaintly not top priority for us.  The utmost importance is  to shape our personality by the financial life.

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回复:[原创]也谈技术分析和基本分析 2 - Case ALSTOM

Case ALSTOM

Here I allow myself to take an example in order to make proof that a good technical analysis is additional necessary to the fundamental analysis.

Following the increase in the ALSTOM to the 20/11, the stock got a strong fall of 57% on the Stock mkt, while passing to 1.25 EUR. From this moment, certain banks proposed various recommendations.


Analysis/operations by big intl banks on ALSTOM

26-11-2003 DEUTSCHE BANK - negative Andrew Casing, the analyst of Deutsche Bank, is one of the first to have pointed finger the difficulties of the manufacturer of trains and gas turbines. December 2, 2002, it evaluated Alstom with 10 centimes whereas the title dimensioned more than 7 euros! Following the results of first half of the year, new uncertainties appeared concerning the prospects for benefit, the treasury and the funds of pension of the group, explained it at the time. The continuation of the events gave him reason.

28-11-2003 BANKS INCREASE THEIR POSITIONS

With the occasion of the new issue of capital of Alstom which to them was reserved on last 20 November, the banks clearly increased their positions.

BNP Paribas holds from now on 12,53% of the capital and the voting rights, against less than 5% before.SG goes up to 9,47%. In an opinion, MFA specifies that the two establishments will not yield any action until January 19, 2004 for the purpose of allowing their acquisition by the holders of the goods of acquisitions of actions emitted free yesterday to each shareholder.On the other hand, after January 19, the actions which will not have been acquired on exercise of the goods of acquisitions could be freely sold.

CDC of 30 969 141 Alstom stocks, accounting for 5,94% of the capital.

CIC (Mutual Credit group), held for its part 40 788 616 actions, accounting for 7,82% of the capital.

CA had through its subsidiary companies CAI and CLIFAP 49 679 968 actions representing as many voting rights, is 9,52% of the capital.

05/01/2004 MERRILL LYNCH REMAIN NEGATIVEMerrill Lynch camps on its positions, estimating that Alstom has no possibility to benefit and to generate cash-flow available. Merrill Lynch also thinks that the French could again encounter financing problems as of 2005. It judges finally that the solution for the group would be to transform its debt into actions what would be translated for the shareholders by a dilution of 80%..

09/01/2004 Alstom: Deutsche Bank holds 4,84% of the capital

26/01/2004 BNP PARIBAS CUTS SA PARTICIPATION - on January 19, BNP Paribas holds 1,29% of the capital and the voting rights.

- CIC holds from now on 2,26% of the capital and the voting rights of the industrial group (against 7,42% before).

- SG has 1,98% of the shares and the voting rights, against 9,47% with the preceding pointing.This disengagement would explain for a small part the strong volumes noted on the value with 93% of the capital exchanged last week.28/01/2004 CDC HAVE 2,96% of the shares (616.033.256 actions), against 5,94% before.30/01/2004 MORGAN STANLEY crossed in rise the threshold of 5% of the capital and of the rights of vote. Il from now on 5,44% of the shares hold.

11/02/2004 MORGAN STANLEY : OBJECTIVE AT 2,60 EUROS.Morgan Stanley explains why the performances of Alstom arrived at a point of inflection and that the group of transport and energy should soon garner several new contracts in its heart of trade.

12/02/2004 RUMOUR Of A LARGE CONTRACT IN CHINARumour (of HK) of a very large contract circulates in the rooms of market. The equipment supplier could be selected to provide TGV in China, on a Peking-Shanghai line of railway of 1.300 km. The amount of this contract would amount to 1 billion dollar.

12/03/2004 Credit Suisse First Boston (CSFB), BUY. The broker has an aim of 2,50 euros, well above the last levels of quotation.

C-J : graph (excuse, cause i'd treated in  french)

[img]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/invescia/sg.png[/img]

[img]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/invescia/als2003.png[/img]

[img]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/invescia/als20041.png[/img]


[img]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/invescia/als20042.png[/img]

[img]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/invescia/als2004at.png[/img]

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Could you explain the last chart for the 'objectif/gap break-away 1.43/1.46 - 1.25*2=2.5

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yes, it s just a gap (1.43-1.46) => break-away gap => 1.25 x 2 = gap target in M-LT

sure, the levels at 1.25 x 1.2 / ... /1.8 / 1.8 r also important !

it s just beacause  i had been in hot pursuit of ALS since the end of 2002, so i was sure that it could get 100%.

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good good study,day day up.

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